Public sentiment is overwhelmingly negative regarding Air India's maintenance practices and Boeing's accountability, fueled by deep-rooted fears over passenger safety and significant dissatisfaction with airline performance. Many express skepticism about official narratives, emphasizing calls for transparency in investigations while showing empathy for victims and pilots. There is an urgent demand for increased scrutiny of safety standards and proper maintenance protocols to prevent similar incidents in the future.

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I have a theory. I’ve been studying the systems of the 787 and i think this is most probable paired with all available evidence. I do not want to claim this is *definitely* what happened but I welcome discussion. Feel free to correct me on anything.

The 787 has two main electrical generators, one on each engine called Integrated Drive Generators. These power the whole aircraft in flight. Now, if one fails, the other one takes over. But if both fail, or if their gearbox breaks, you lose both of your main AC Buses. Now, according to the theory paired with all the evidence, before takeoff, one generator was probably already offline and that would most likely be the left side IFEs being dead, the left packs not running, and flickering lights. In pre crash footage on the flight prior to the one that landed in Ahmedabad you could see one side of PSU cabin lights off and that means the left IDG or Ledt AC bus was already out. So, on the flight that crashed, the second generator failed duringn or just after rotation and so both AC buses dropped simultaneously. This is why that theory fits. The problem is, when both engine generators fail and the RAT kicks in, the FADECs don’t get normal power anymore. As a safety feature, they instantly roll the engines back to flight idle to protect them. The survivor said they heard a loud bang and saw the lights flicker and that lines up exactly with the moment the generator failed and the RAT deployed.

I would also like to clarify on the FADEC protection logic. FADEC protection logic on the 787 prioritizes engine integrity under unstable electrical conditions. In a situation where both IDGs fail with RAT deployment, if FADEC detects unstable power input from PMA or transitional RAT power, it immediately commands both engines to flight idle as a protective measure. This will ensure engine survivability but removes climb thrust authority until stable power returns. FADECs are designed to monitor power stability. If PMA voltage/frequency is out of tolerance and backup AC Bus power is lost or unstable during RAT deployment then the FADEC logic is designed to command rollback to idle to protect against surge, flameout or overspeed.

Edit: update, I believe the FADEC had commanded the HPSOV valve to close, rather than doing a protective rollback to idle. The HPSOV valve closes shut when losing power, however it is powered by the engine PMAs and therefore could not have been the issue. Rather. My theory of the FADEC protecting the engines is still very possible and had probably commanded the HPSOV valves to shut off. The FSOV has nothing to do with this as it will keep its last position when losing power. It could be a software glitch, or instability in the engine during transitional power.

HungaryCool

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geology_person

I have a question I don't know much about it. The recent technical and fatal failures in boeing planes across the globe what about the question on maintenance from the airlines. Are those airlines actively maintaining and making necessary repairs to the planes??? Because there are airlines like Emirates qatar airways we barely hear boeing crashing there because they have record of good maintenance of aircrafts. I don't know much about aviation so looking for genuine response on this data please correct me if I'm wrong thank you

Pr1stine69

Dual engine failure but what caused that?

Totsuka1999

BrockStar-916

makeup-guy-852853

At the start of the video it seems it was descending. Then tried to pull up but can't. Can hear the engine though. And no smoke. Gear still down.

Is the air thin around those parts?

Some cargo came lose and altered the balance?

Ancient_Sea7256

ROOSTERyouDOWN

Silent_fart_smell

It was more like 32 seconds after takeoff.

Known-Bowl-7732

Now everyone knows that 11A is the survival seat. Prices for that seat going to increase 100x lol

verhovniPan

BigDikEnergy321

LeftcelInflitrator

theimpartialobserver

When the plane drops out of view and just before the plane exploded, I see a large piece of the plane fluttering above it. The surviving passenger said there was an explosion so I wonder if an engine blew up to make the large object I saw? Does anyone else see it?

BrierBob

[https://youtu.be/z7EZkungFEE?si=jkV4C4oilorE8cCR&amp;t=543](https://youtu.be/z7EZkungFEE?si=jkV4C4oilorE8cCR&amp;t=543)

this looks like the best explaination yet.

niyupower

That was not 5 mins - it was crashing from the instant it took off and was sinking the moment it was out of ground effect

angusalba

God bless all of them and give them a peaceful return to the Light. 🤍

as for their families, numb their suffering and fill their hearts with love. peace peace peace calm

LowerChipmunk2835

When you are making an emergency landing like that you would typically dump as much fuel as possible if you don't the wings will be too heavy for the landing force and then boom.

ThePervyGeek90

Wild how someone survived this. I wish more survived. Rest in peace.

cconnorss

Why you wanna put that out here? 242 souls perished. Tell you what, I’ll wait for your video mmm’kay?

Oedipus____Wrecks

Boeing bot accounts running interference in the comment section

The_Stereoskopian

Just gonna leave this here for all those nincompoops believing this was a manufacturing problem.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ahmedabad/s/EDZgzQRPxn

hunterxy

At 00:21, there are “dark lines” near the trailing edges on both wings, which might be due to extended flaps.

beaded_lion59

Sharp-Guest4696

Just wait until they release some factual and relevant information. 

ChatGPT is validating your own concerns. Like you said in your post, Boeing and operators are aware of these kinds of computer issues (also in other airplanes) and require regular resets as part of their routine maintenance program.

realist-451

"I asked chatgpt"

Just stop there. Like for fucks sake, the AI programs dont know shit. ESPECIALLY about specific aircraft and how their systems work. All AI does is string words together.

Stop the speculation. Even if you were correct, you're not providing any benefit to the situation. Let the investigation happen.

TheDrMonocle

I was returning from India and mid air my seat strap broke. After repeated requests they provided me another seat right at the back of the aircraft. Just before landing the air hostess asks me to get up and move back to my original seat. I picked up my stuff and moved back to my seat with no strap as I was not in a mood to argue I was returning back after my dads funeral. Later I complained via email and they offered to give me 2000rs like what am I supposed to do with this change amount, keep it to improve your terrible services.

soon2bvoid

Sharing similar experiences for Toronto-Delhi flight.

2024- Me and my wife flew Toronto-Delhi in May 2022 and decided to book with AI as it was the shortest flight (due to modified air route in view of the Russia-Ukraine war), plus the additional baggage that came with the ticket. Like most AI flights none of the infotainment systems were working, my seat was duct taped, the table was  hanging with single hinge, the food was bad, AC was ineffective and the list goes on.

Return flight was slightly better, but still quite bad as compared to any other airline I've ever flown with.

  
2025- We took the same route last month, and thankfully did only a one-way ticket. This was after I heard that AI is retrofitting it's aircrafts and we might be lucky to find a renovated one. But same crappy flight. I was in the first row of economy, and while getting inside the flight I noticed business seats were torn, there was evident duct all around, while seated I could see the business (or probably premium economy) seat was broken and it was not reclining. The toilets were getting clogged and I was feeling so bad for the crew cos they had to manually plunge it 2-3 times during the flight time. The landing was hard., and even during the flight there were weird noises in the aircraft, with the AC often losing.

Damn. It was a nightmare. 

  
I really hope a strict action is taken against AI and they are not allowed to fly these coffins till they get new aircrafts.

Interesting_Money_70

There are two things going for them when it comes to the US-India flights:
1. Direct flights without a layover in EU/ME
2. For parents with young kids/toddlers/babies, I’ve found them and Indians around more accommodating. None of the “I’m irritated by your baby” looks. 

PMSwaha

I don’t understand why so many still keep selecting cheaper AI flight with more luggage carrot even after knowing service level issue. 

OP - may be help us understand this mindset of retrying same airlines every year but keep getting disappointed and giving them opportunity again. One should fly where they are guaranteed of best world class service that they can afford.

Select-Bat-9095

It is more to do with the people, process and some common sense. 

I took the J from SIN-MAA last month. It's 787, the recliner is not working, entertainment buttons are gone (making it unusable). Now I have had this issues in the past with other carriers too. Typical SQ style is try to restart - change seat - finally offer compensation. AI style - Ignore and the service staff just moved on. The crazy part started when food service started. Not in order, and one particular crew was horrible. She seems to be only able to speak Hindi or English. Now, she is serving the Economy right behind my seat and I can hear the raised voice, and entitled commanding tone. Seriously - Can't AI allocate at least one crew given how diverse India is ? Then the worst part - Alcohol. AI need to stop serving Alcohol or start to charge. Lots of 'drink as its free' people who can't handle. I don't want to even remember how the entire flight ended up thanks to the spicy food - bay of bengal during monsson times ( one of the most turbulent region) - crowd..

idonthaveacooluserid

It will take years to get the airline back in shape by Tata after years of mismanagement and neglect. They have ordered a fleet of new places but all this is going to take time. Black box is recovered, lets wait to see what actually caused the accident.

soul-searcher-

Down vore me all you want, but tatas seriously need to invest more in their planes than in their pr. And we Indians seriously need to stop worshipping corporates as if they are Gods, and start asking serious questions, instead of gushing over their 1cr compensation. It's nothing but covering up for sham airlines

Dextersdidi

I’ve flown Air India three times in the past 18 months because I believe in giving people (and airlines) three chances before judging. Each time, the experience somehow managed to outdo the previous one… in getting worse. The last one especially was total chaos and a bumpy dangerous ride. At this point, I decided it was not only stupid but also dangerous to book Air India again. One makes you wonder though how and why the Tatas let it slide on a downward spiral instead of rejuvenating it 🤷🏻‍♀️

WalkstheTalk

I have traveled Air India between London a nd w now about 4 times in last 2 years and all have been amazing experiences. Nice aircraft, friendly staff, wonderful food and flight generally on time. Ground staff also have been super helpful. Sad that this incident tarnishes AI name

Relaxandeasy

I flew Air India last week to US. Service was great. Food was good. Entertainment system was working surprisingly. AI has improved service on a few routes.

RGV_KJ

I’ve flown long haul Air India many times. I expect a filthy aircraft, like the seats are disgusting and uncomfortable, the food tray will have stains. The entertainment system won’t work and the air crew doesn’t care or are helpless.  Since the Tata takeover the ground experience is marginally better. Typically even before take off one toilet will not be working. By the time one lands multiple won’t. Even the website is a nightmare and at least for a few months has not been working properly - I can’t book flights on it on either of my browsers. 🤷🏽‍♀️

There are clear maintenance issues with Air India. An aircraft as unhygienic and dysfunctional should not be considered airworthy 

BUT

The experience of Air India is bad also because of the people who fly in it. Poorly behaved kids creating a ruckus on flight, inconsiderate behaviour of fellows passengers who litter in the aisles, litter in the toilets, drink to the point they’re disgusting and incoherent. They stand up right the second the flight lands as if they’re going to burst out running the moment the door opens. The state of the aircraft reflects the state of its customers.

For people saying that they are a budget airline. No way. The sector that I fly they are typically as expensive as the other flights. They also have the best timings. Which means they’ve paid for those timing slots. So they should either lower their prices to reflect just how terrible the experience will be or they need to provide an experience consistent with the prices they charge which is consistent with what the competitors are charging.

cosmic_athlete

Fuck off. Born and raised in Ahmedabad: my family lives there and I’m not sure about it. Do not make this about your story and your experience. This is not about you. It’s about air India people from our city. Fucking stop. This about tragedy and people on board and professionals 

Shut the fuck yo about experience. No one asked 

You are the problem.

Desperate-Jaguar-991

Stop this!!
You want to complain about the service, go ahead do that, I too hate them and their service, I too have suffered. it’s no secret that they suck.

But at this hour when the matter is not about comfort but death, please don’t vent out your frustrations in the guise of your thoughts and feelings with the deceased and their family. That is sick!!!!!

Don’t care, downvote me to hell.

qkng

Air India meant chaos every time we flew 
I remember the time they could not land in Vizag on Bhogi due to smoke and diverted to  Bhubaneswar and barely made it as they wasted fuel circling around Vizag for some time before diverting.
They refuelled and took off to Vizag and landed safely .
But we were terrified and never flew with them again
Indigo landed safely during the same morning!
This may sadly see the end for Air India similar to Panam following a crash in 1988 in Lockerbie.

Tiny_Delay372

Air India canceled my flight at the last minute. No communication was sent. We were at the lounge and when we reached the gate, there was no one to help. Then, I called their support line and was told we have been moved to the flight 3 days later. So we had to book another flight at the last minute and guess what Air India did not refund me the whole amount. I literally had to chase them for money. Still have $600-700 that was never refunded. 

  
We don't know what caused this crash but Air India's service is the poorest i've seen and I quite frankly feel that the management doesn't really care.

jukeboxinabox

Its got nothing to do with the crash, or safety protocols  though imo

Horror-Career-335

AI is hit or miss. But when it misses, which is more often than not, it really is a terrible experience. I have stopped flying AI since I finished grad school, even if I'm paying more, and it's one of the best decisions I have ever taken. Makes my life stress-free as someone who travels to India from the US 3-4 times a year.

mormegil1

Crazy… sad that a major Indian airlines did not improve over the years. People across the world travel and these airlines also represent India to some extent

sallyamazon

i saw them applying brown tape on their plane's window 10 yrs ago

Daitya_Prahlada

Why are we using the crash to rant about customer service issues?

Winter-Affect6585

It's interesting to hear about your experience. While I understand your frustration, my consistent experience with Air India has actually been quite positive. I've flown internationally every 1- two months for the past 25 years, experiencing every major airline, and I've found Air India's staff to be generally far better than those on many European airlines, even amidst the challenges faced by the industry. Lufthansa staff used to be good 20 years ago but now it's an airline I avoid if I can. Singapore airlines is still generally good but almost every airline has seen a downgrade.

It seems to me that a lot of the chaos on flights, especially post-COVID, often stems from passenger behavior – with some people demanding service the moment they step on board. (While passengers aren't permitted to bring full bottles of water through security, they absolutely can carry empty bottles and fill them at water fountains post-security, or purchase a bottle of water!)  Most airlines have seen a dip in quality post Covid, so Air India isn't unique in that regard. However, their crew consistently goes above and beyond, managing difficult situations and demanding passengers with remarkable patience and professionalism.

Svenska2023

What's tye relation between the air india crsh and your experience like Seriously?

mouhouss93

There’s a whole subreddit called ‘Air India Sucks’ so you’re not alone, OP! My family and I collectively decided after many awful experiences with Air India that we are only flying either Etihad or Emirates in the future. 

Accurate-Bike7377

I’ll never fly Air India again. One of the worst airlines I have ever experienced. Horrible customer service and rude staff coupled with outdated planes.

Doctorms3ws6

Yes back in 2022 we went to India in Air India from London. We ate food served on the flight n got food poisoning. And in 2020 ig encountered rude air hostess who was being very disrespectful towards elderly passengers who are unfamiliar with air travel

Brilliant_Grab_6459

Hey OP - I am not discounting your experience but I think Air India is a budget airline and staff get less than other airlines. If it was not for the budget they can’t be full. So is it wise to compare it with top airlines - I am not sure

93ph6h

Is Air India is cheaper compared to another better option?

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Passengers on an Air India flight experienced a 'hissing' sound from the Boeing 787's door mid-flight, causing concern. Reports suggested that crew used napkins to alleviate the noise. Air India clarified that the sound originated from a decorative panel and assured that there was no safety risk. The flight safely landed in Hong Kong, and subsequent checks confirmed the aircraft’s compliance with safety standards.

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